Armed posse patrols timber land in sheriff's place

O'BRIEN, Ore. (AP) - There's no room in the county jail for burglars and thieves. And the sheriff's department in a vast, rural corner of southwest Oregon has been reduced by budget cuts to three deputies on patrol eight hours a day, five days a week.
But people in this traditionally self-reliant section of timber country aren't about to raise taxes to put more officers on the road.
Instead, some folks in Josephine County, larger than the state of Rhode Island, are taking matters into their own hands - mounting flashing lights on their trucks and strapping pistols to their hips to guard communities themselves.
Others have put together a virtual neighborhood watch, using Facebook to share tips and information.
"I believe in standing up for myself rather than waiting for the government to do something for me," said Sam Nichols, a retired marina manager.
Nichols has organized a posse of about a dozen fed-up residents who have started patrolling the small community of O'Brien, which has about 750 residents.
"We call ourselves the CAC Patrol, Citizens Against Crime," he said.
Separately, a retired sheriff's deputy in a community about 10 miles away has started a Facebook page called "To Catch a Thief," an open group that has nearly 1,200 members who post reports of crimes that aren't priorities for the county sheriff's office.
"In a rural community like this, we all know each other, and we're all related," said Carol Dickson, who started the group about three months ago and posts regularly.
"People know who's doing this," she said of the property crimes around Cave Junction, a town of nearly 2,000 people about 30 miles from the county seat of Grants Pass.
"They are getting tired of it," Dickson said. "They are speaking up, and they are saying, 'Enough.'"
Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson says he's glad for the help but warns that law enforcement is dangerous work.
"They need to really understand there are consequences that can be very costly, physically as well as legally," he said, explaining that volunteers could get sued or shot if they pull a gun on someone or make a false arrest.
"Most of them haven't had what I feel is an adequate level of training to do that they do," he said. "But if they serve as eyes and ears and only report what they see to law enforcement, I think they can keep themselves at a safe level."
Policing expert Dennis Kenney, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, says neighborhood watch efforts can be positive but turn into problems when volunteers "decide that instead of supplementing law enforcement, they are going to replace law enforcement. Then you cross potentially into vigilantism."
Kenney said vigilantes tend to get "out of control - especially when people are armed."
He added that "people drawn to this sort of thing are the kinds of personalities more likely to take it too far."
Nichols says what his group is doing is "not vigilantism at all.
"If it was, we would have taken care of a couple of problems a long time ago," he added. "Because we knew who they were, and where they lived."
Another CAC Patrol member, Glenn Woodbury, an electrical supplies distributor, wears a .45-caliber automatic pistol in a shoulder holster when he goes out. He says he carries the weapon only for protection and that members of the patrol consider it their primary responsibility to gather information, such as a license plate number, that would allow deputies to make an arrest.
Since the patrols started a few months ago, group members have reported a wildfire being set and someone trying to break into an SUV. The police log in the Grants Pass Daily Courier shows five thefts or burglaries in O'Brien from January through July, but none since August.
"These people know they no longer own the night," Woodbury said of potential criminals.
"They can't back a pickup up to somebody's home when you've got patrols watching," he added.
For her part Dickson, who retired from the Josephine County Sheriff's Office before Gilbertson was elected and has frequently been at odds with the man who replaced her old boss, says her digital network has helped make the Illinois Valley safer.
She says her group has tracked down stolen property, including several cars, and even helped deputies arrest a man on drug charges.
Despite her differences with Gilbertson, she won't let people post rants about the sheriff's department. And she says her group serves a vital function.
"When you have tweakers and drugs, you're going to have thefts and burglaries," she said, citing methamphetamine abuse as the root of many of the property crimes in the area.
Dickson says there isn't enough space in the county jail and that deputies don't pursue property crimes as they should.
She said criminals "know they aren't going to get punished." She added, "Nobody gets arrested. Nobody gets charged."
Josephine County, population about 83,000, recently lost $12 million in federal timber county subsidies. The jail, sheriff's patrols, prosecutors, probation officers and juvenile programs have all been drastically cut. The lockup has room for 69 inmates - only enough space for the worst offenders. As a result, theft and burglary suspects are regularly turned loose, only to be picked up later for new crimes.
But neither Nichols nor Dickson think the sheriff would do a better job of protecting their end of the county with more resources.
They both voted no on a tax proposal to make up the $12 million loss and say they would do so again if county commissioners brought the issue back up.
Their independent streak is fairly common in the area just north of the California border, which was settled during the gold rush of the 1850s and has been proudly self-reliant ever since with loggers, hippie communes and survivalists maintaining the reputation. To this day residents in the area consistently vote conservative.
Much of the land is dotted with abandoned mining camps, overgrown with trees and brush. The timber county has just one remaining sawmill in operation.
At the O'Brien crossroads, a flashing yellow light and a '50s-era police car, parked permanently on the shoulder, slow what passes for traffic in front of the general store, post office, gas station, restaurant, and RV park. There also is a bar with a sign proclaiming, "Bikers Welcome."
Nichols says he decided to start the patrols after someone stole a travel trailer from his property over the summer.
He called a community meeting in August and wore a .38 special revolver, handed down from his father, in a leather holster on his belt. About 100 people showed up, one of whom recognized a photo of his trailer and knew where it had been stashed. Gilbertson, however, declined to try to retrieve it.
"I didn't have the resources to deal with it at that time," the sheriff said. "Pretty much, what we're doing now is person-to-person crime."
In response, members of the CAC Patrol have taken to slapping magnetic gold stars and flashing amber lights on their vehicles to keep watch over the community on their own. Many carry pistols and plastic ties for handcuffs.
"If we stand shoulder to shoulder, they don't have a chance," Nichols said. "And that's what we're doing."
I like how KVAL deletes only MY post from this conversation without any explanation. I'm sure that it had to do with my post to Balder telling him to get over himself and realize that not everyone who carries a gun is a criminal. Showing a little favortism, are we, KVAL?
I think we will start seeing more and more citizen involvement with Government being largely out of control. People are making less, yet expected to pay for raises and benefits they could only dream of having themselves. The tail has wagged the dog long enough. I recently scanned the State of Oregon pages and look at Department after Department until my eyes hurt. What have we become?
 @souptonuts Citizen involvement is great (voicing opinions in hearings, writing to leaders, volunteering, non-armed neighborhood watch, running for elected positions).  Becoming a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner, not so great.
@Baldr Odinson Just about everything you said does not work. What does work is people standing up. Responsible possession of arms is not a bad thing, it is a good thing. Ever hear of observation, being seen as a deterrent, even a citizens arrest under the right circumstances. Who said anything about being a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner? All you people can seem to think about is rules, restrictions and growing the size of Government. Don't you believe at all in individual liberty, freedom, the right to not be under someone's thumb all the time.  Come on!
 @souptonuts  @Baldr Don't delude yourself.  We're not talking here about the average Joe carrying a gun under his coat while he goes to the store.  We're talking about people purposely putting themselves into harm's way, like trained policemen, but without the training or oversight of police.  You don't carry a gun into a policing situation unless you are prepared to use it to kill.  If that isn't a possibility they are preparing for, then they should leave their guns at home and call themselves a neighborhood watch.  It has nothing to do with "individual liberty or freedom."
The local Sheriff should work with the community and establish a trained posse with those already doing the job, Maricopa County in AZ has done an excellent job with this tool, as a former member of such posse I can vouch for it , as former Chief of Police, I know that citizens are the best asset. You dont need higher taxes(money) he needs an open mind and be resourceful.
 @John Galt Sorta like this guy?  http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2012/05/another-racist-arizona-militia-member.html
The article talks about dealing with meth users and related lifestyle of theiving.  What is wrong with that?  There are level headed folks that step up when local law enforcement  is not around.  It is called survival.  Real cops do not overstep?  We all profile.  Hope these folks are above average fair folks that can tell bad guys from good guys.
We have this guy called Art Robinson (Republican - surprise!) who comes from Cave Junction and is again running against Peter DeFazio for a House of Representatives seat. A place where Carol Dickson says "..we all know each other, and we're all related..". That says it all!
@Sal Pietromonaco I read Art Robinson's book. He talks about common sense quite a lot. He obviously is a hard worker and has accomplished much. What has Peter Defazio ever done besides maintaining his career politician position. You might give this guy a try, he might be good for Oregon. We all could use a little more common sense, and a whole lot less lies and dishonesty. Let us strive for Honor and Truth.
 @Sal Pietromonaco An incest joke? Really? =/
 @PleaseBeSmart  @Sal Pietromonaco How completely ridiculous, Sal.What a stupid thing to say.
Good grief - this article is on Yahoo news now. Â I'm embarrassed that our local law enforcement has reached such an all time low that the rest of the US is going to know. Â Welcome criminals from other states - you don't have to worry about law enforcement around here, come one, come all. Â I can't believe that it's come to this. Â
OMG. Disgusting. Is this what we have become as a society? These are probably the same people who voted against bond measures to support the Sheriff's Dept and Jail, who now cry about protecting themselves because those institutions are now inadequate
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They may claim they are only "gathering information," but as the professor warned, this can quickly devolve into vigilantism. Without proper training in crisis management and policing skills, personal bias can quickly make vigilantism efforts into murder, and the confusion of the moment leads to deadly consequences (they ain't shootin at silhouettes at a gun range). Â I'm waiting, now, for news of vigilantism-gone-wrong from SW Oregon, a la the Trayvon Martin case.
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My previous blog post on this: Â http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2012/03/dangers-of-vigilante-justice.html
@Baldr Odinson I didn't know the Trayvon Martin case had been decided? What makes you say it had gone wrong? George Zimmerman is alive, thug is dead. Seems to have went fine.
Time to go posse trolling.
When the sheriff's office has a lesser financial priority in any county, including Lane, there has to come a time when the unprotected citizens must react to protect themselves.Â
Right on. That should be happening all over Oregon!