Lawmaker calls for stiffer penalties for timber protests
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GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) — A tree farmer serving in the Legislature wants to put tougher penalties on people who chain themselves to equipment and block roads to stop logging on state forests.
"There's been a 30-year reign of terror by these people having no respect for the rights of others," Rep. Wayne Krieger, R-Gold Beach, said Friday. "If they want to do civil disobedience, they can do that. It's part of the Oregon Constitution, and the federal. But when they go beyond that and start chaining themselves to trees, locking themselves to equipment, and laying down in the road, and in any way they impede access, then they have gone over the line."
His bill (HB 2995) would create a new felony charge of interference with state forestland management, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $25,000 fine. A companion bill (HB 2596) would allow loggers to sue protesters for lost income plus $10,000 up to six years after a protest.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jeff Barker, D-Aloha, said the criminal charge bill won't pass out of committee until it is rewritten to overcome constitutional problems with impairing people's right to protest.
"There seem to be some pretty clear constitutional violations in it," Barker said. "I asked him to try to rework that to make some sense out of it."
Barker added that as written, the bill may also violate the rights of unions to picket on a state road used by loggers.
Krieger, a former state trooper and former member of the Oregon Board of Forestry, cited protests against logging on the Elliott State Forest in 2011 as the latest example of anti-logging protests that stretch back to the 1980s, when people began protesting logging old growth forests on federal lands.
Since the 2011 protests, a judge has blocked logging in Elliott stands occupied by the marbled murrelet — a threatened sea bird that nests in old growth forests — while a challenge from conservation groups moves through court.
Grace Pettygrove of Eugene, who was fined a couple hundred dollars on a misdemeanor charge of trespassing from the Elliott protests, said people would not be deterred by increased penalties.
"I don't think that is what the criminal justice system is for, to punish people for standing up for what they believe in, especially when they are standing up for ecosystems in danger on public land," she said. "The fact that this is happening actually shows that these timber corporations are worried about the impact public awareness and public protest will have on their operations."
The Associated Oregon Loggers testified in favor of both bills.
"The contractors who get damaged by these kinds of activities are small family owned businesses that employ eight to 10 people," said associated President Jim Geisinger. "If they think they will bring Wall Street to their knees by hindering a small business to conduct their affairs, they are wrong."
Jason Gonzales of Friends of Oregon's Forests said the companion bill allowing loggers to sue protesters for damages was a further attempt to intimidate people. He said loggers already had the right to sue for damages, but such lawsuits had not had much success in court.
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press
The current penalties obviously aren't enough. And it's hilarious that Ms. Pettygrove doesn't think increased penalties would make people think twice.
Nothing says "love'n mother nature" like crapping in a hole and wiping with moss". These people are a biohazard to the environment. No different then the nasty example set by the Occupy movement members crapping and pissing where they stand. Few take them seriousÂ
Just to clarify some errors here...Â
The number of the bill is HB 2595, not 2995. The fine is $125,000, not $25,000. The first offence is a mandatory minimum (!) of 13 months, the second is 5 years.Â
 http://www.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measures/hb2500.dir/hb2595.intro.html
Well I'm done for the night, kids. Off to watch a movie about Paul Bunyon! Should be good. I hear he mows down a LOT of trees. And I think he even butchers Babe the Blue Ox at the end to feed the hungry lumber jacks!
The Suggestion in this article that these protests are blocking small family companies is ludicrous. Roseburg Forest Products and Seneca Timber are enormous companies. The projects CFD blocks are way to big for a 6 person company.Â
@applesauce So I guess you're suggesting that bigger companies don't or shouldn't have the same rights as smaller companies? You don't really mean that do you?
@OregonOrator @applesauce My suggestion is that Jim Geisinger is intentionally spouting off with what he knows is inaccurate informations because he doesn't make it very far with the truth. Whatever the size of a company, it shouldn't enjoy more rights then actual people. It has been demonstrated in court that these timber sales were in violation of the law. If I,  as a human being, buy an illegal product I can be punished wether I knew it was illegal or not, yet these companies just get to rake in the dough and laugh their way to the bank. Profits over people, when will legislators join the american public and say no to that ?Â
@souptonuts I agree, lots of terrible people have gotten very wealthy off the backs of timber workers, and they continue getting rich off of their work today, and those slimy people are the same people pushing for this law. They are the same people who ship jobs to asia and pursue a level of mechanization that means there are very few jobs even left in the timber industry. These big company owners, government officials and lobbyists are our enemies, hard working people find no qualms with us, even if they have to cut down trees for a living. In fact, the types of thinning projects on previously logged land that I would like to see ODF pursue on State Forestland would create more jobs then the old growth clear cut logging they are currently pursuing. The reality is, and this I learned from loggers and foresters, you can't thin with the big equipment, real people have to do the work, which means more money for loggers and less for CEO's and the board. The other reality is that the major companies logging on state lands are actually often using prison labor, and pushing to use more, a move that CFD has publicized and come out against. I understand that folks have the misconception that all us forest activists are just dumb punk kids, but those assumptions have no basis in reality. Our analysis is educated, it is based on science, and it is filled with common sense ideas that take into account the needs of the people in these communities.Â
@applesauce @OregonOrator You know it sounds like your talking about Government Public Employees when you talk about raking in dough and laughing all the way to the bank, PERS. Lots of folks have gotten rich off the backs of these timber workers who pay taxes to support PERS and other government perks. Do some research.
@applesauce Please, let us know when you start using "real" information. We're waiting....you have supported your claims with nothing.
@applesauce No it wasn't. You were clearly suggesting that bigger companies shouldn't have the same rights as smaller companies. Like a typical liberal idiot you try to obfuscate the point with non-cited heresay that is actually pretty irrelevant.Â
@OregonOrator Ut oh, I used real information to for an actual argument, I hope it doesn't give you too much of a headache. Â
UP HIS !! Â Â Instead, lets make the environmental crimes of "timber farmers" a felony.
@Arcanobacter Hemolyticum Sure but only when you quit using paper products in every aspect of your worthless life.Â
Felony wanted for owning a semi auto under HB 3200, felony wanted if you chain yourself to a tree. Felons are what everyone will be because lawmakers on both sides of the political spectrum are complete zombies.
Republican, that says it all.
@godless anarchist I suppose you use sting nettle to wipe?
I have been to the camps these folks have in the woods, many of them crap in deep holes and use moss and lichens to wipe. But, you should keep calling people worthless and making random assumptions, it makes us all so proud to be Americans.Â
@applesauce (Yawn)Â
 Wow, you nailed that one, I am excited to be engaged in a debate with such a brilliant "Orator".Â
@applesauce Oh boo hoo.  Get a life.
Not really. A ridiculous KVAL.com commenter name like "godless anarchist" says a whole lot more.
I say that better than sticking them in prison, they seem to like chains so much, just let them carry a ball and chain while working for the logging outfit that they held up. Sentence them to complete all the hours they were protesting and preventing honest people from making a living to working for the outfit they stopped. This would be at minimum wage. These people don't like to work and earn a living so this would be good punishment. For every hour they did not work, just add two more hours, and sooner or later I believe they would work.
@souptonuts Also, in regards to your working to pay their debt scheme. A few years ago a number of these folks got arrested for a protest in the Elliott State Forest, their court ordered community service had them working with ODF to put trail systems (the first one actually) into the Elliott, they completed every hour of it.Â
@souptonuts It is interesting how well you know "these people" and what there work histories look like. You must be a tree sitter in disguise.Â
@souptonuts  Sure a lot of these folks need lessons in forestry as well does industry. I have seen a tree sitter in a young cottonwood tree. Most folks can not tell high elevation Doug Fir from low elevation or coast range fast growing trees.  To ban protests like this would enable industry to run even more rough shod than they already are in other none timber related areas. By passing the Clean Water Drinking Act for the fracking oil/gas companies is good?  This law would go above and beyond timber related issues.  I have worked in a tree sit.  Most are well intended folks open to  knowledge.  Some are punks along for the ride. With are country going overseas for cheap labor and Wall St calling the shots I am cautious of laws prohibiting any protest whether well thought or not.
@drinkmorewater @souptonuts Protesting peacefully is ok. Chaining themselves to equipment and getting into the trees to be harvested is taking the rights away from the working folks, that is not ok. They can walk the roads (as long as they don't block traffic) and carry their signs all they want, that is fine, just don't trespass or monkey with equipment that will get someone killed.
@souptonuts @drinkmorewater We can all be gone in a second.  That said if there were back up generators in ship tight  areas for the pumps at Nuke plants it would not have over heated.  I parallel hot button issues (no pun) because  protests are good.  I do not agree with tree sits in second growth, which mostly what this stand is. Democracy is not pretty, banning any protests is not good.
@drinkmorewater @souptonuts Are you talking about the earthquake and the nuke meltdown, if so what does that have to do with timber cutting protests? Like most people with any sense at all I don't like what happened there, but there are getting to be too many people and Japan needs power. Mother nature is going to do what it does, and no one is going to stop it.
@souptonuts @drinkmorewater what do you think of the China syndorme happening in Japan at the moment?
@drinkmorewater Please point to the part of the article where they are suggesting banning protests. Your right to protest ends when you trespass and/or vandalise or otherwise make it so loggers can't use their equipment to conduct legal logging. Period.
@applesauce Ok, sure. How old are you? I can tell you're pretty new at this, so I'll go easy this time. Dude, the "OCD" insult online was probably old by the time you were born man. Try again. You can do it. I have faith in you!
@OregonOrator @applesauce ooo look i was right, do it again Orator, do it again!!! show us your last word trick, please?!Â
@applesauce You still here?
@OregonOrator Oh, I see how it works, you just type something silly anytime someone responds to your sillyness, right? It is like a OCD last word kind of thing?Â
@applesauce hahahaha....you're new at this aren't you?
@OregonOrator @applesauce Again, such a brilliant argument, I like the part where you actually pointed out what you think is a lie, and then offered some reasoning. I really appreciate the irony in your name, I wonder if you are from Washington, or Canada as well.Â
@applesauce Liar.
@OregonOrator @drinkmorewater Just because the state sanctions something, doesn't make it legal. In fact, when the logging these protesters were fighting was challenged in court, ODF admitted that the logging was being done ILLEGALLY, judge agreed and currently none of these projects are being pursued, and there are no protests in the Elliott State Forest.Â
"I have worked in a tree sit."
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That is all we need to know.
@oregoncraig falling timber is not work? Your logo is all we need to know.
@souptonuts You have my vote