PERS reform: 'Catastrophic is probably not too strong a word'

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon lawmakers who want to lower the costs of pension benefits for government employees face a difficult dance to craft changes that produce meaningful savings without reneging on iron-clad promises made to workers in years past.
A number of ideas have been suggested, but any significant legislation that makes it through the Legislature and earns the governor's signature is likely to land quickly in a courtroom, where previous attempts to cut pension costs have been overturned.
The push to cut pension benefits is driven by a steep rise in the burden on taxpayers to make up for investment losses in 2008, when the Great Recession eroded 27 percent of the pension fund's value. It left an unfunded liability that was last measured at $16 billion at the end of 2011.
Government agencies will spend $3 billion on pensions in the next two-year budget, up 45 percent from what they're paying now.
The added costs will directly contribute to larger class sizes and less money available for a host of other public services, government officials have said. The Oregon School Boards Association has promised to push for changes so districts can spend less money on retirement benefits for their employees.
"Catastrophic is probably not too strong a word," said Republican Rep. Mark Johnson of Hood River. "There is no fat left in any of those budgets. It's strictly coming out of classrooms, it's coming out of personnel."
Johnson, who is also a school board member, said he'll introduce a bill to curb pension costs next year. Democratic Gov. John Kitzhaber also has said he'd like to see changes.
On average, government employers will pay 21 percent of their payroll toward pensions, up from 12 percent before the recession.
Public employee unions say legislators need to be careful not to renege on decades of promises to workers.
Specific proposed legislation hasn't yet been made public, but discussion has centered on a few proposals:
- Capping the annual cost-of-living increases, allowing them to apply only to the first $24,000 of annual income. The average retirement benefit is just under $26,000 annually, so many workers would be unaffected. In a 2010 analysis, Public Employees Retirement System officials estimated the change could save $576 million for each two-year budget cycle. However, the state Supreme Court overturned a past attempt to temporarily freeze the cost-of-living adjustment.
- Ending or curtailing a common practice known as the 6-percent pickup, where government agencies pick up their workers' required 6-percent retirement contribution. PERS estimates full elimination of the pickup would save $750 million per biennium, but actual savings would be less because many employees would bargain for a corresponding salary increase.
- Eliminating for retirees living outside Oregon a supplemental pension payment intended to cover Oregon income taxes. Since non-Oregon residents don't pay Oregon income taxes, critics say it's unfair to give the supplemental payments to those retirees. PERS estimates the move would save $72 million per budget period.
Despite the loud demands for a pension-system overhaul, the political and legal path is precarious. It will require support in a Legislature that will be dominated by Democrats, many of whom were elected with significant financial support from public-employee unions that have aggressively fought cuts in pension benefits and the politicians who support them.
Proponents face a challenging conundrum. The only way to generate substantial and immediate savings is to cut benefits for existing workers and retirees, but the Oregon Supreme Court has thrown out several attempts to do that. The court in 2005 did, however, uphold some benefit cuts that the justices did not view as a contract between the state and public employees, and the proponents are hopeful they'll find more savings that pass court muster.
Becca Uherbelau, a spokeswoman for the Oregon Education Association, said any pension overhaul should meet three criteria: It should save money now, be constitutional and be fair. Legislators should boost school funding and overhaul the state tax system, Uherbelau said "but we recognize PERS has to be part of that discussion."
The teachers union is the state's largest public-employee group.
Presumptive House Speaker Tina Kotek, a Democrat, laid out the same criteria for PERS legislation, saying the savings must be immediate, constitutional and fair.
"Our system has been well-run and well-funded," Kotek said. "But like other parts of the country, because of the collapse of wall street four years ago, we're dealing with the increased liability issue."
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According to the last released list of PERS recipients and their pensions, about 70% are getting $3,000/month or more. Ask retirees from private sector jobs how that compares with their pensions (if they have any.) And, the current retirees are not the only part of the PERS problem, their are thousands of Tier One employees that will be retiring in the next few years that can still take advantage of the unsustainable PERS benefits, including the 8% guaranted rate of return and Money Match. When a private investment firm uses income from new investors to pay unrealistic rates of return it is deemed a criminal act and people are prosecuted. When PERS does it, it is deemed "meeting an obligation."
Perhaps if the Supreme Court Judges that have made all the previous PERS rulings weren't in fact PERS members themselves (with special generous provisions) and the Legislators running the system weren't all PERS members, maybe there would be some hope for genuine reform. But until that happens, don't hold your breath. Ask your local School Board what percentage of the general fund income for the coming school year will go straight to PERS (and be sure to ask they include the 6% contribution.)
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Forget the unions, the worst abuse of the PERS system are the administrative/bosses who aren't union. Bellotti aint a union guy, neither is Fronhmayer, the retired UO professors who are getting over 100k while adjuncts profs can't make a living teaching current students, any of the police/fire chiefs who are getting huge pensions, nor the bulk of the so called retirees who are currently working their third public sector job that qualifies for a pension. That also holds for the bloated, over paid administrative staffs who fat marble the Oregon public university system. None of that is union, but are nevertheless parasites which are killing the host.
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How bout this for starters. If a public employee claims that they are retired, then they are retired. That means you cannot go and get another public sector job and get a pension. If you're still working, then guess what, YOU AINT RETIRED! You simply changed jobs and kept working. Multiple public pensions must stop now, this is nothing but a scam. At some point, Oregonians have to grow up and wake up, we don't need the public administrative staffs to be this huge. One way or another, they will be cut or eliminated, the money is no longer available to keep this nonsense going....
@calmplexx You are absolutely correct, and I did not intend to imply that unions were all of the problem. I believe I mentioned the Governor, legislators, judges, etc. The whole system is corrupt top to bottom. I believe teachers can at this time retire and work back up to 1000 hours, which is nearly full time on a 185 day contract. They continue to draw their pension plus pay for the 1000 hours, why don't they volunteer if it is really all about the kids.
Sorry I used the word "guy" in my other post, should have been this Person is a joke. Sorry.
"Our system has been well-run and well-funded," Kotek said. "But like other parts of the country, because of the collapse of wall street four years ago, we're dealing with the increased liability issue." This guy is a joke and part of the problem. Any prudent educated person knows that retirement money should no be put at risk. Money on Wall Street is all at risk. Greed clouds minds.  This is the kind of guy trying to run the state folks. The problem with PERS is not what has happened in the last four years, it is what has happened in the last 30 years. Wake up.
Ok for the past 30 or so years, the Fox has been guarding the hen house (as Peanut said). PERS used to require that employees pay half of their own retirement contribution or 6 percent. Back in the late 70' s or early 80's they negotiated a 6 percent pay raise with the state where in the state would pay for their 6 percent contribution and therefore the state employees would take home 6 percent more on their paychecks. This was at a time when the economy was bad and no one was getting anything even close to this (Jimmie Carter years). The the legistlature, the Governor, and the Judges got into this lucrative system, I mean after all why should employees of the state have something better than the people that are in charge of them. What they forgot is that they ran over the wrong people, the private sector is their boss, not the Governor, Judges or the Legislature. So that left little choice but to get the correct (left) people in office so that the control could continue. Get the picture? Progressive liberals took control and corruption went rampant. Hardly anyone in the private sector has even a dream of getting a retirement like they are paying for, for the people that are supposed to be working for them (us). The private sector can't win in court, because the Judges are in the system. The State Attorney General is a retired PERS pensioner getting over $100K a year from PERS. Mike Bellotti gets over $40K per month from PERS, the list goes on and on. The private sector has been lied to, bilked, scammed, stolen from, raped, assaulted and all the things most people would go to jail for. Look at the Democratic Governer good old Neil G. I could go on and on about people I know who worked in the State Government who have committed crimes against the public, misused funds, etc. etc., but I would be the one that ended up in jail as have others who have tried to reveal all the truth. By some accounts PERS is up to 90 BILLION in the red. When are the good People that are left in this State stand up to the Progressives that are running it and say enough is enough!
 @souptonuts"State Attorney General is a retired PERS pensioner getting over $100K a year from PERS. Mike Bellotti gets over $40K per month from PERS, the list goes on and on ..."
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No, it doesn't. A couple of extreme examples at the high end do not prove corruption. The average pension is less than $26k a year. If you're OK harming the tens of thousands who give over their entire working life to public service, just to prevent abuse by 2-3 people ... well, I guess it's a good thing you're not in charge of anything but your keyboard.
@MT 2 or 3 people, where in the world have you been, $0-3K per month 71,748, $3K-6K per month 28,905, $6K-9K per month 4,149, 9K-14K per month 508, $14K and up Belotti's group 53. Now bear in mind this was a couple of years ago now. Add to this the mass of retired teachers in the last couple years, retiring at a much earlier age than most in the private sector ever could. Extreme!, Extreme! you want Extreme, just keep paying, did you read the article, that barely scratches the problems PERS has. http://community.statesmanjournal.com/blogs/data/2011/11/22/top-pers-beneficiaries/?appSession=929291654996240&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=&cbCurrentPageSize=50
The unions have no power without the bussiness they work for...we should bust the unions and regroup the system...the people writing the laws are the ones that are gonna reap the rewards of the laws they right...like the fox guarding the hen house.