Religious leaders among those pushing for same-sex marriage
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BEAVERTON, Ore. – Oregonians across the state got their first chance Thursday to sign a petition to put a gay marriage initiative on the 2014 ballot.
Gov. John Kitzhaber and former Gov. Barbara Roberts both signed the petition at an event at the Hotel Monaco in downtown Portland.
Kitzhaber said amending Oregon's Constitution isn't something that should be done lightly, but he said that the laws need to evolve to reflect the changing nature of the state.
"When we talk about marriage equity, to me, we are talking about that basic equality that we should demand for every single person in the state," he said.
"On this day we begin another historic step toward making Oregon more welcoming to loving couples and families," Roberts said.
Oregon United for Marriage, which established a committee with the secretary of state's office, set up events on Valentine's Day surrounding the petition drive and various religious leaders said they want people to know many faith communities support same-sex marriage.
"This issue is personal for me, because I've been out as bisexual for over 30 years," said Rabbi Debra Kolodny at an event in Beaverton.
Rabbis and reverends spoke about the years of marrying others and now what they're hoping for themselves in Oregon.
"When about 15 years ago, we went to see the Victorian lights before Christmas in North Portland – I took her hand, and I said, 'I want to marry you,'" said the Rev. Jeanne Knepper about her partner the Rev. Marcia Hauer.
Hauer and Knepper are both retired pastors and had a covenant service years ago and made a promise to each other: "Partners, companions, giggle mates, playmates and friends for life," they said in unison.
Since then, they've taken every opportunity available.
"As soon as Multnomah County did domestic partnerships, we signed up," said Knepper. "When Multnomah County did weddings, we got married. And then the state told us it was invalid. Then when the state said we could sign up for a domestic partnership, we did that, too."
Now one more step as they were among the first to sign the petition to put gay marriage on the 2014 Oregon ballot.
"I can't tell you the joy, the deep joy it would be to finally have who we are before the law and who we are in our faith and who we are in our commitment to each other be consistent," said Knepper.
"And not to be second class citizens," added Hauer.
Supporters need to turn in about 1,000 signatures initially and plan to do that early next week. Then they'll need to collect more than 116,000 signatures by next summer to qualify for the ballot.
The group, Protect Marriage Oregon, which opposes the Basic Rights Oregon campaign, released a statement Thursday afternoon.
It says, in part, "We have been anticipating this move for over a year. Much is still unknown about the ballot measures they are introducing, which have a long process ahead of them. Protect Marriage Oregon is committed to making sure Oregonians understand the unique distinctions of marriage between one man and one woman and the importance of protecting that definition."
Basic Rights Oregon said the timing wasn't quite right to push for same-sex marriage in 2011-2012, but it is now.
The whole purpose of a constitution is to achieve order in a society. If the constitution is changed every time someone thinks they are being discriminated against then it would no longer serve it's purpose. Where does it stop people. You say gays should be allowed to marry (same sex) marriages. Well what about a gay brother who wants to marry his gay brother, or sister who wants to marry her gay sister, or daughter who wants to marry her father. Again I ask where does it stop. The male and female were designed by nature to procreate and keep the species alive. That is normal and as it should be. I am sorry if this offends anyone, but I did not design the male and female. You will have to talk to God about that, and if you don't believe in God either, I don't know what to tell you.
@souptonuts The federal Constitution demands equal protection under the law.. and considering marriage is a civil right, how do you justify not following the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment?
@PleaseBeSmart @souptonuts I don't have to justify or not justify anything. I am merely expressing what I consider to be fact, and my beliefs. You express your beliefs, I express mine. By the way how did we get to this point anyway? I never heard of such a thing as a young person, but you see over the years I think society has been gradually degraded by perversion and selfishness. We have thrown what is good for all away and replaced it with a multitude of ills. Those who would replace what is good for all in the name of rights that degrade society will answer not to me or you, but they will answer.Â
@PleaseBeSmart @souptonuts What do you suppose those folks were thinking about on July 9, 1868, gay marriage? I don't by any stretch of the imagination think that entered anyone's mind at that time. Do you?
@PleaseBeSmart @souptonuts Ok, so you think that the people that wrote the constitution intended for male to be able to marry male, female able to marry female, father to daughter, mother to son, grandmother to grandson, etc. etc. Do you really believe that is what they intended? I don't, and irregardless, it is not normal as far as nature is concerned, and it has been proven that in breeding in not a good thing. I could go on and on regarding the ills to society, and I simply don't believe any reasonable person could argue that the founders intended for all this.
@souptonuts The only reason for my response to you was your comment on the constitution. You can't defend not allowed same sex marriage from a constitutional standpoint. Marriage is a civil right, and laws are to be equally applied to all. And those are constitutional facts.
Its odd you never see any pretty lesbians.
"This issue is personal for me, because I've been out as bisexual for over 30 years," said Rabbi Debra Kolodny at an event in Beaverton." Here's a question for Ms Kolodny: If you are bisexual and for gay marriage, do you believe in monogamy or do you prefer polygamy? I always thought people entered into marriage with the promise to "forsake all others." Polygamy is illegal for heterosexuals. If we really want to allow all loving relationships to marry why would we draw the line at polygamy? Where does it end? Who gets to decide what is fair and what is not?
@ethicsmatter I don't have a problem with polygamy as long as it isn't involving me, and all parties are consenting. What does it matter?
"This issue is personal for me, because I've been out as bisexual for over 30 years," said Rabbi Debra Kolodny at an event in Beaverton." Here's a question for Ms Kolodny: If you are bisexual and for gay marriage, do you believe in monogamy or do you prefer polygamy? I always thought people entered marriage because they wanted an exclusive, monogamous relationship (you know, the whole "forsaking all others..." ). It seems to open more questions. Plural marriages are illegal for heterosexual groups, should that change too if those involved are in loving relationships? I am not trying to be facetious, just wondering how everything can be "fair" to all when there are so many opinions being touted. Who has the right to say what will be acceptable and what will not? Whose guidelines will we follow?
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well obviously, when anybody wants a special interest. we should always change the constitution. Â
Why even have one. ?
Kitzhaber said amending Oregon's Constitution isn't something that should be done lightly, but he said that the laws need to evolve to reflect the changing nature of the state. Such a sad thing for the State of our State. People we need to stand up against this assault on our values. Kitzhaber and other progressive show their true colors. This State will continue to fail.
@souptonuts Whats truly sad is clinging to archaic and discriminatory values. Denying someone the same rights and privileges you enjoy is shameful and wrong. The State isnt failing. The sky isnt falling. Equal rights for all.Â
Say NO to gay marriage.Â
@Jason Marks Why? Because they don't deserve equal protection under the Constitution? Because it somehow offends your delicate "sanctity of marriage?" Because kids might realize that homosexuality is naturally occurring in a lot of species and that's okay?
It's shameful that the Oregon Constitution was ever used to limit the rights of our citizens. I look forward to the day that is rectified.
@PleaseBeSmart Me too.