Suspect in ecoterrorism fires with ties to Eugene arraigned

@mannimal @peace ---that clears a lot of things up for me. Extremely informative. Extremely grateful. I seem to remember quite a few feuds going on with land owners/homesteaders and the BLM. A joke people had in our area of douglas county back in the mid 70s was "Don't step on that freshly planted tree or you'll wipe out 1/2 of our forest reserve".That was not to discredit all of those tree planters that worked so hard planting them elsewhere. My father fed our family doing it back in '69 in Roseburg when pay was mostly piecemeal. Thank God he was a marathon runner in HS. Those Doug Firs are now looking ripe for the plucking. Amazing tree! Our clones (gratis some OSU bio project) have been thriving and growing down in NZ for the last 20-30 years now. So, I guess they can sell the lumber back to us in Roseburg and take away more wood products jobs. I also have a problem with the hoarding of logs that Japan sinks in the ocean off their coastline so they can always use their mill workers instead of ours. I was so sad when those deep ocean critters/worms started munching on their stash of primo logs. Or maybe, I have more of a problem with the way Canada subsidizes their timber industry so much that our timber workers can't compete and be paid a living wage. Lucky for big business, we have all of these Mexicans eager to do it for rock bottom wages. Nothing against those folk either.

There is no denying that big business and govt. (policy makers/politicians) have mismanaged and corrupted our local timber industry, and the heydays of honest hardworking living wage jobs & big timber revenue may be gone for good. It almost seems as if they have tried to turn Roseburg into a Ghost town of tweekers. Doesn't seem all that better in Eugene, especially with the jail bed shortage. Aloha Bro!

 

 @peace my sympathy is not for all of them, jeffery luers "free" should be doing life, his co part /conspearator "mud", paid for all seventeen vechs. plead guilty to arson, got his 2 1/2 years and got out early, by doing the tillamook boot camp. you do the crime you do the time.

   in this day and age after all the regs. of the late 80' and early 90's, there is no need for civil disbediance, if you do not like what is up with the timber sale you can get an injuction. and with all the money all these east coast envirofreaks, they could put there latte'  funds together and by the timber unit them selfs.

    were most people do not understand is that it is the forest service"circus" or the blm that chooses were when and how these units are logged, my parents did salvage logging for a time. it still works the same way.

     the big thing about this person is that she was part of a group that targeted the forest service and their underhanded illegal deals. that ski lodge was built on national natural wilderness land that was supposed to be set a side to be untouched, the forest service gave a lease on the legality on an 1866 right away law, after the civil unrest about it congress conveend and amended the right away law to revised statute 2477, in which specificaly states the forest service has no juristiction in right away afairs, any gate you see that the forest service has placed is illegal, and on the same note any  permits granting land access is illegal (north west trail pass).

     before the civil unrest that happend back then the forest service was running a muck clear cutting everything, no impact studies, and no clue as to what they were doing, one year you cut down to the water line and clear the stream bed , the next year you are supposed to cut to the water line and then place logs in the bed ever so far, now adays they do repairin zones. back then they were not requiring replanting on public lands

   i was raised that proper farming and harvesting of anything is substainable. oregonians have been doing it since the 1800's if it had not been for the feds intrustion into the timber market, by closing homesteading and then putting up timber units for sale, we would still have a thriving timber market. you will find that a good many family timber and mill comp. are still doing well. they have always been enviromentally friendly because they are thinking of their families future rather than a quick buck.

   i feel if she was involved in burning anything down back then like the feds are claiming, she should go to jail for arson, you do the crime you do the time, a terrorist she is not. 

  teaching is an honorable job

  P.S. the only r.r. spiking i ever hear about was by private land holders on their boundery lines in hopes it would stop companies like XL timber from over cutting in to their timber lands, the F.S. knew what XL and others was doing and turn a blind eye, telling the victims that  it is a civil matter

P.S. the last time Native American horses roamed free was 12,000 years ago. And, it was no urban legend that RR spikes were seen among the ashes in our wood stoves on some mornings. Have fun in Hawaii milkin' Uncle Sam's Tetes.

Just don't drink the milk, they are putting Boron in it too soak up the cesium 137 from Fukushima.

Let's stay in touch somehow. I will be back in Tochigi-prefecture (50k south of FUKU) this year teaching English to a bunch of kids like Krusty the Klown like i have done for the last 20 years. It is a service job. But it is nothing to be ashamed of...especially since I love and pray/chant for them all the time.

Take care HOMEBOY! No hard feelings...just PEACE on me Bro!  

@mannimal---the copy cat hacks did not use ceramic! They used railroad spikes w/o spray marking the tree as spiked (no fair warning) AND no spike at all marking the tree as spiked OR both. Chain saw workers had to climb 1/4 their way up the tree to hopefully cut where the lazy hippy wannabe would not climb. 

Glad your salary was so high. The smaller mills where my friends worked could not afford metal detectors or the repair/maintenance of a millwright at that time, neither could the chainsaw folk clearing for the chokesetters or the firewood scavengers. Lots of maim, misery and close calls.

I am sure this explains my preachy militancy on this thread. My sympathy is for the poorest being hurt even more by extremists. Also, my friend almost got killed in his sports car last month by another one of those dam deer every where.

BTW, my spelling (am still looking for a spell check function) comes from being promised a Baseball scholarship at the UFO. Once stuck there in Libtard artsy-fartsy land, Duck baseball got cancelled due to budget cuts (timber revenue way down). With no more mill jobs around I had to join the Army to payoff my student loans (that I should have never had to take out to begin with).

Nice to know that you got into the business as a techy when times were boomin'. Congradulations on your lucrative career path! And, I am sure you pay dearly in taxes from a 6 figure income.

There is no denying that you are an outstanding citizen, despite your sympathy for the ALF/ELF rebels. The horse article was a cheap shot, I must admit too.

 @peace  @mannimal  being from that time and a millwright and pipe welder, yes i install, build, repair and maintain mill equiptment, the metal detectors in mills are for the pieces of metal that falls off of their machinery and to detect rocks that trees naturauly pick up, if you knew any thing about tree spiking you would know that they did not use metal spikes, hence you being clueless to knowing what you are spuuuuuuueing about like a fanatic.

 sorry that my spelling is off, but i am smart enough that i did not have to pay someone else to show me how to make a living, and at presently making better than a 100k a year take home, i often wonder why sheeple go so far into debt, so they can spell p.c. and think that just because they can spell they must be smarter than e=mc2 albert whom flunked out of school.

 now as being a millwright, i know from installing things like hugh saws, and coe curve saws and what not,that the present logging trees over 48" like at blue river res. can only be split and then chipped.

  and yes it is a diversion, when it comes to her being arrested for terrorism, they did not harm any one, no phyisical threat, and the ony thing they burnt was buildings and equipt that were participating in illegal activity.

  as far as afgan goes, hallaburton is hiring, fluor, and betchtel. i know what is up i do that kind of work. i am presently i mauii for 3 months repairing a coal fire boiler for hc and s sugar.

  what are you doing? working in the service industery, hoping to pay off your school loans, sometime in your life time.

  p.s. i have been in this industery since the 80's, meaning that i have been in just about most the mills that are left. and i started out in the woods as a choker setter for pete dancer out of camas valley if he is still around,.

  if you do not understand now, i am sorry but all i know of sheeple to try to exspess to you id baaaa, baaa? baaa. mabee you understand that better.

 

"it saddens me that wild animals like horses, wolfs and what not no longer  roam free even on government land/ our land that is supposed to be held in trust by the government"?>>>http://www.kval.com/outdoors/2-dozen-wild-horses-starving-in-Wheeler-County-187341071.html<<<Smoke some ganja, get the munchies, mellow out and have some BBQ horse meat, whilst I add animal abuse/neglect to your agenda.

@mannimal ---I would not know about that. Let's add defamation to your profile as a terrorist sympathizer.